Revise with Confidence
Video #2 - Distance Yourself So You Can Get Out of Your Own Way and Get Back to Work
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- What have people said about your writing style, or what’s your greatest fear about your writing style (what’s your equivalent of being a NH writer, or a funny writer)?
- What do you think about the psychological tendency towards self-handicapping?
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Angie
March 24, 2019I suppose I tend to write around death issues a lot. I haven’t really stopped to consider this before, though my themes are usually around sadness, illness or emotional dysfunction. I have experienced many bereavements in my family on a personal level and my background was in nursing, so I have dealt with death a lot and have been privileged to pass many people over into the next life.
I also write about subjects some people are uncomfortable with and themes around prejudice because it eats at me personally! I was told by someone (who recently read my novel), that I ‘thrust homeopathy down people’s throats’ and my ‘it’s your opinion that drug companies make millions’ to which I found totally unfair as I am both a homeopath and an ex-nurse. My novel is about the conflict of careers between friends, so obviously it is part of the theme! However, I did take the comments on board and checked through all the scenes.
I have also been told that I am excellent at writing erotic scenes. This would not be a preferred choice for me to write erotica!
I totally understand the self-handicapping. I struggle to see myself as a good writer, alas I try!
Veronica
February 20, 2018Joan!
thank you for explaining self-handicapping, and for showing me a positive way to deal this frustrating phenomena. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Krista
December 17, 2017I really want to leverage what my mom used to call “black irish humor”… I’m such a new writer I don’t even consider hiding it. I’m 47 and new to the craft — I want my writing to have meaning, teach important life lessons without being preachy or obvious, and help people see the humor in the inevitable darkness of life. Wish me luck. 🙂
Jane
September 8, 2017Thank you for forcing me to think about what kind of writer I am. My characters are always self-absorbed, analytical types, who have “dark nights of the soul”. I write heartily, going deeper and deeper into their pain and, then, I come up for air and see the funny side. I have written things, intentionally, that make people laugh and that has worked, but I do really want to go deep into the human condition and not make light of suffering. Also, I love reading novels with a strong “sense of place”. I would love to show my readers my place, New Zealand, but I’m not sure if it would be as interesting as, say Maine or Canada. I am going to have to think long and hard about your second video. That you very much. I really think you are generous and honest.
Wendy
July 27, 2017Back in middle school, we had to describe our bedroom. I described it as you would see it if you walked in the door (which I told readers was on the south side of the east wall). You would naturally see things in a clockwise direction, so that’s the way I described the furnishings in it. The classmate who got my paper raised their hand when the teacher asked who had a hard time understanding the description.
And if you asked me to describe it today, I’d describe it the EXACT SAME WAY.
Clara Dugas
September 5, 2017Oh Wendy, you just reminded me of a Grade six composition assignment, describing my “dream” bedroom. It was so well written that the teacher read it to the class but not before telling the class that the story was creative but it needed some grammatical corrections. My bubble burst. Sad how one negative comment has stayed with me all this time, over 50 years. Thank you for sharing Wendy.
Clara
Margaret Durand
June 21, 2017I’ve been retired for several years which has finally given me time to explore a life-long passion to write fiction, especially near-future science fiction. Sometimes just getting it out there on my web site provides enough satisfaction, but my real goal is to have my stories read. I do think I can do much better, but where is the incentive or the important feedback when you have no audience? One friend was surprised that my stories weren’t humorous, which gave me pause because I would like to write humor but it has never worked for me.
jdempsey
July 1, 2017Margaret, it sounds as if maybe you’re a funny person, and thus your friend thinks you should be a funny writer … but who we are in our outer lives might not be the same as who we are in our inner, writer-lives. Seems you’re writing the sort of work that’s meaningful for you, and that’s the best thing.
Getting your work read is a whole different thing, and takes a lot of effort. Search the web for Self-Publishing Formula and for Your First 10,000 Readers and for Joanna Penn to begin to see how you can attract readers. Hope that helps!
Karin Forno
June 18, 2017Hello again Joan, the feedback I remember, because it’s been a while since I was in a workshop, was either, this is soul autobiography, this is like Annie Dillard, which is pretty fine with me although I might like to be more real than Annie Dillard sometimes seems, or it’s, this is not useful commercially, which I get, but frustrates me. The same thing that makes it soul autobiography could also make it not very commercial. I have the luxury of not needing to sell to survive, so my take is, I’m going to write the best damn soul autobiography I can, and if it’s not commercial, so be it. Sometimes I think of writing fiction, like mysteries, but that’s not particularly me as a writer, and I think that may come from trying to be commercial.
On the self handicapping, I have totally done that throughout my writing life, and I hope I can overcome it now that I don’t have the excuse of not having time.
Thanks, this was helpful.
jdempsey
June 19, 2017Annie Dillard, yes! Great to be compared to her. 🙂
More and more you hear that “not commercially viable,” but to me that just means you have to keep looking for another agent or publisher. There are SO many options available now to authors that you’re bound to find a home. Glad you’re sticking to your vision and your passion! That’s the way to go!
Christie
June 12, 2017Hello again . I enjoy doing short stories myself .I am enjoying your videos . I do have low self-esteem and I don’t know how to deal with it . I like writing cause it’s a way to get away from stuff .I just need to get better at all of it.
jdempsey
June 14, 2017Hi Christie—improving takes time, and it’s important to celebrate the small learning you engage in each day! It does all add up, but don’t forget that the journey itself needs to be pleasurable, so do take time to learn and grow over time. No need to pressure yourself to be suddenly fantastic. Won’t happen! 🙂
Leanne Williams
May 29, 2017What kind of a writer am I ? I don’t know. I write poetry I guess that makes me a poet but that doesn’t answer the question. There are a few distinct voices in there. They are all mine, there may be a constant voice I can’t see. As it stands now I want the self perceived chorus. I like my poetry a lot more when I read a few poems rather than 1 in isolation, it is not a theme or style that holds them together, I’m not sure what it is.
At the moment I spend more time thinking about potential poems than I do writing. I tell myself that is work of a sort. My body of work is small (I resisted the word tiny). I read the comments here between writing when prompted and posting – I feel like a fraud. I have only been published once (3 poems) in a small local anthology.
I want to retain my poets licence for all sorts of reasons one being it is fun when rhythm holds hands with the story/character and runs off with the truth. There are personal truths in my poetry, there are also observations and times spent writing while wearing borrowed coats.
I want my poetry to be heard and seen, my dark secret with that may be I want evidence I exist.
Feed back I have had –
*You have an immediacy.
*You have rhythm
*Now I feel I know you better (this one makes me uncomfortable)
*That’s hilarious
*I like your cutting stuff better.
*Undefined gasps.
*You have a way with words.
*You are a writer
*I have been greeted with silence.
*Once I got a standing ovation.
jdempsey
June 7, 2017Leanne, thanks for sharing your thoughts about who you are as a poet, as a writer. Despite what you describe as “small,” you’ve gotten a lot of good feedback, so small but mighty might be the thing to focus on! 🙂
Poetry does get to the heart of things, doesn’t it, so that person who said they feel they know you better must have been moved in some way by what you said. Whether what you wrote was self-revelatory or not, you touched something in that reader. Still, I get why it would make you uncomfortable!
cynthia
May 29, 2017Hi Joan.
I am a poet and essayist. My version of New Hampshire writer is “Southern Poet.” Almost 20 years ago I helped revitalize the poetry reading community in Cincinnati with some other writers. Whenever I read, people only wanted to hear my southern poems.. even though I write about other subjects as well. I got so frustrated that I quit reading and then stopped writing poetry. I continue to write a column for a health journal and have recently begun to write poetry again. While I KNOW I am a southern writer, I don’t want the rest of my work to go unread. I have won several competitions over the years-again for southern themed poems but I think my “other work” is as good…. How do I get the rest of my work heard????
jdempsey
June 7, 2017Cynthia, I’m sorry for my delayed response! My notifications settings were turned off and I missed this!
One suggestion I have is to go ahead and embrace yourself as a “Southern poet”—use those poems as a gateway to the other work you want to share. If you do a reading, read a couple southern poems and then get on with the other ones. If you write a chapbook, have a “Southern Poems” section, and limit it to that. Pitch yourself as a southern poet, and then give them all you’ve got. Might as well use the label as a way to enter whatever it is you want to enter. Does that make sense?
Patricia
May 24, 2017Joan, you are addressing the process of being a writer, which none of the writing books I have do.
For what kind of writer are you, my graphic novel is localized in remote western Canada along the Pacific Ocean. Place or geography is important and totally affects our lives. My second novella also puts major importance on location, and is set in Newfoundland. If the location were changed, the story would not be the same.
No, I am not a literary writer, and the type of books we had to read in college bored me. I want the emotions that arise as people interact in families and in communities. I am not humorous, but do inject humor to balance negative emotions. Human relationships interest me, and I seek to write about caring humans, and promote the best in how people interact while showing how the worst harms a community.
Thanks for making us think about who we are as writers.
jdempsey
June 7, 2017Patricia, I couldn’t agree more about the importance of place in writing! One could spend years just studying how writers approach the issue of place in their work … it’s always fascinating. And in graphic novels it’s even more interesting, I think, since so much of what gets conveyed there is visual. Fun!!
Cosmos Omondi
May 22, 2017I’m not a great writer yet. But the little writing I do is on platforms like Quora and Medium. Although I’ve received a couple of endosements, I suspect they’re just but because of the right professional answers, not my writing skill.
jdempsey
June 7, 2017Cosmos, those are two great platforms on which to write … keep at it, follow others, and you’ll get there! 🙂
Dee
May 11, 2017Joan,
Thank you for these videos! I just stumbled across this series and I’m so glad to have discovered what you are doing for us strugglers! You have given me back that itch to get my words onto a page.
As for what kind of writer I am, I unfortunately couldn’t tell you. I have what feels like a baker’s dozen novels running around in my head. I’ve written a couple short stories I’m proud of and lately, I’ve been working on a couple of children’s picture books (no doubt inspired by my young kiddos).
I feel like I’m a creative writer at heart but I’ve only made money writing non-fiction articles in various periodicals. I don’t mind that work, but I’d rather be writing something that’s more meaningful to relieve that itch.
I appreciate your idea to rephrase if our writing is any good to is our writing the best writing we can do. I think that will help. My doubts do keep me from pursuing my creative writing. I have so little free time that I am one of those writers who wonders if it is worth the time it would take. Sacrifices would have to be made. When I think of how those sacrifices would involve other members of my family, I really start to doubt if what’s in my head will ever realistically be what I can get onto the page.
Ok, I’ll get off the theapist’s sofa now and just say I’m looking forward to the last video and any advice is appreciated. Thanks again!
P.S. You mentioned researching time management strategies for writers. If you are still interested in sharing that information, I’m all ears!
jdempsey
May 16, 2017Hey there, Dee! Glad to hear you’ve got the itch again, and I do hope the series will help you figure out what you might be able to change in your life to allow some focus on the creative writing you so clearly love and want to pursue. While I’m not going to do anything on time management, I will recommend a book that helped me a LOT when it comes to creating time in one’s day to prioritize what one loves: The Power of Less, by Leo Babauta (https://amzn.to/2pRzWsE). It will help you figure out what’s truly essential in your life, and what you can do to make time for your writing. I hope it helps!!
Dee
May 19, 2017I will check that out, thank you! And yes, I am enjoying the series! You’ve made me realize how much I’ve neglected increasing my writing knowledge. I have my BA but I’ve stopped taking time to just learn about writing! I guess I want it to all be from divine inspiration. 😉 So thanks for the reminder. By the way, congrats on receiving the Writers Exchange Award. How exciting! Best wishes.
Karen C
March 5, 2017Hi Joan. What someone said about my writing wasn’t about the writing, but what they said was NOT about the writing. That was the problems. I’ll explain.
I was in a group discussion – not a writing group – but the teacher, who knew I have written some short skits we used at our church, was using me as an example of using one’s talents and was blanking on describing my talent as a writer and said, “Take Karen, she does terrific….” and went blank. . Another person in the group, in an effort to help the teacher, inserted “She makes terrific costumes.” Which is what she knows me to be able to do and is not at all aware I have written any skits. I was expecting to be recognized for my writing, but instead was recognized for something else I enjoy doing but not my primary focus – writing. It made me realize I’m not writing enough and not promoting my writing because the second person had no clue I write these dramas.
A different twist to your question.
I have had several people tell me the drama’s I write are good. I’ve not attempted to convert any into a full length play or sell them as short skits, nor have I sought an opinion from someone who is not a friend. So, I am not certain what that person who is not vested in me would say about them. That is my main writing goal this year – to revise them and either sell them on a website or write a full length play and submit it.
jdempsey
March 6, 2017Hi Karen–interesting twist, indeed, and what a great realization you had as a result!
You’re right that it’s always important to get someone without a vested interest in you to take a look at your writing; honest feedback from writers who will tell you the truth is the only way you’ll know for sure how you’re doing. Good for you for setting that as a goal this year!
Donna
March 5, 2017Hi Joan
Considering your question of what kind of writer am I? I would say a memoire writer. I have to feel a truth or I don’t seem able to bring a story alive. I certainly fictonalize details but the writing is based on what I know. And yes that is limiting for me. Oddly enough, there is nothing I like better than well written fiction.
Your insights in the first tape helped me deal with rejections. Seeing how many writers are out there and how few are published. It helped me remember I write for myself and the stimulation and challenges it presents. Donna
jdempsey
March 6, 2017Hi Donna (just sent you an email, too),
Fiction writers draw on aspects of their lives all the time, and some writer more autobiographical fiction than others. Those “felt truths” are what makes any writing sing! 🙂
You’re right that it can be limiting, and I see too many writers stay “safe” in writing what they know–the fun begins when you start venturing out beyond what you know to explore and write about what you don’t know! 🙂
Writing for stimulation and the challenge … great! That’s a motivation that will keep you going back to the writing desk time and again.
DeAnna
February 4, 2017as in my first comment in video one… My teacher would mark my paperwork, but one of the biggest correction on my work was…… writing two sentences and they should of been reversed. I still do that and its hard to break. I dont even know I am doing it. My biggest worry. I have been told this already by a few that has read my draft.
jdempsey
February 6, 2017DeAnna, I often do that myself! It’s not uncommon for me to write an email, a post like this one or a paragraph of the novel I’m working on, and end up moving sentences around when I’m done. I’m ALWAYS changing the order of things I’ve written down, and I know plenty of other writers who do this, too. I think it’s simply part of the process of getting things down on the page. We don’t think in a linear fashion, and so our thoughts aren’t orderly on the page.
Since you know this about yourself, one thing you can do from here on out is study what you’ve written and ask yourself whether the order is the best it can be, or if maybe you need to reverse the order of some of your sentences. Read them aloud, both ways, and see which sounds better.
Liz B
January 25, 2017Hi Joan,
Thank you for another helpful video. Self-reflection has become an important tool for me as an unpublished writer. Your discussion about self-handicapping provided perspective and I appreciated the positive spin on psychology. I found some ways to apply the ideas to other aspects of my life as well:)
My writer self has never aspired to produce literary fiction, and I feel no shame in that. Instead, I want to create quality commercial, genre fiction with a cast of quirky, loveable characters located in an enticing small town, where moral lesson are taught through the theme of the book (not overbearing). I read in my genre, self-study and attend conferences, and I am feeling confident that my writer self is emerging in my work. I have noticed that there is a continuum of quality in the published work in my genre, so I am striving for great writing within my niche.
What has been helpful is submitting my novel to beta readers and legitimate contests that provide feedback from knowledgeable industry pros and peers. I take their feedback seriously and incorporate suggestions where they fit with my goals for the book and with what I have learned to be “right” in my genre. Some advice is not followed because it does not reveal an understanding of my goals for the mss and because in only the first 20 to 50 pages it can be difficult for a reader to make these judgements. But ultimately, if I see a trend in critique comments I had better pay attention. This helps me to move forward into the deeper work of making the story better–the best it can be.
jdempsey
January 25, 2017Hi Liz! Glad you’re enjoying the videos, and I love hearing about your pride in your work, and your approach to continually learning and improving. That’s exactly what it takes!! Keep it up, and thanks for participating in the video series. Glad you’re here!!
Jerry Januszewski
January 25, 2017I stick to non-fiction essays and some memoir/travel writing. I’ve heard I had good ideas but the writing was ordinary. Or that I do too much telling and not enough showing.
Thank you for the videos.
jdempsey
January 25, 2017Hi Jerry — Here’s a great article on showing and telling that might be of interest to you! https://emmadarwin.typepad.com/thisitchofwriting/showing-and-telling-the-basics.html
Hope you find some value in it!! 🙂
Lori
January 24, 2017My travels have influenced my writing a lot, but I want to avoid being placed in the “Eat, Pray, Love” category. Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with it I suppose (it is a bestseller after all), but that’s just not what I’m aiming for.
jdempsey
January 24, 2017Interesting–what category are you aiming for? Just curious!
Ingrid Schlüter
January 22, 2017Dear Joan,
thank you for giving me some serious information about writing. I often failed exactly on those circumstances you are talking about. It really makes me feel happy to recognize, I’m not alone with those prejudices. So, I will try again until reaching a proper draft for my first novel. Thank you so much for your support given in the video.
jdempsey
January 23, 2017Dear Ingrid,
You’re most welcome! So glad you’re participating in the training, and I hope you find that the rest of the videos are helpful as well! 🙂
Anna van Straubenzee
January 16, 2017Hi Joan,
Loved this video. I have to say that the “Dempsey light or lite” has stayed with me. It makes me laugh when I think of it. It is so helpful to hear about your own experience. Thank you for sharing so honestly. Like Elizabeth, I gasped when “quit” came on the screen. So I guess, ya, I don’t really want to quit.
Being from Canada, I want to be Margaret Atwood or Alice Munro but I’m far from those heights. My biggest fear is being trite. That is probably my equivalent. This is a great exercise.
Self handicapping? Um, yes. I use the “I am rusty” excuse often.
Thank you. Anna
jdempsey
January 16, 2017Hi Anna, and thanks for participating in the series. I have to say that the “lite” comment was helpful for me, too. You can now say “van Straubenzee Lite”! 🙂
I used to want to be Alice Munro, too, and then I realized I might want to set my sights on a more realistic target … I chose a Maine writer whose work is similar to mine and who still had a breakout novel. Felt a lot more possible. Now I say “I DON’T want to be an Alice Munro, but I could see being a Lily King.” 🙂
Cheers.
suzanne bowditch
November 27, 2016Hi Joan Im loving your videos! As a new writer, I havn’t had much feedback, except to say that people enjoyed my books (that’s family and friends mainly!)
I like to write historical fiction, and when I started out I wanted to write like Lesley Pearce (women’s romance) but the more I write the more I want to write in a deeper more serious way
jdempsey
November 28, 2016Hi Suzanne,
So glad you’ve found some value in the videos! It sounds as if you’re evolving as a writer, which of course we all do. Being aware of what you’re aiming for (deeper, more serious) is so important. You might even find that you’ll end up writing like Lesley Pearce with a serious, deeper Suzanne Bowditch kind of bent! 🙂 Keep on with the work!
Elizabeth
September 14, 2016I gasped for air when you said and then posted that word quit! Which tells me I’m in for the long haul. Thanks for sharing the knowledge. ?
jdempsey
November 21, 2016So good to know, Elizabeth! Those who ARE in it for the long haul don’t seriously think about quitting, or if they do, it’s for a gasp-inducing moment that quickly passes. 🙂
Marilyn Bader
September 7, 2016My memoir hearkens back to humble South Dakota beginnings, and now I’m struggling to get beyond that particular period of my life and expand forward to include the varied landscapes/people of the many other places where I’ve lived. More thinking ahead on finding my voice on that. Another topic, the use of humor. I don’t really try to do it, but friends who have read pieces of my writing really pick up on it. And in person, friends are always laughing at the stories I tell. (My daughter thinks I should try stand-up comedy!) So now I’ve been trying to step back and look at parts of my memoir with a fresh eye. Best example: there is a chapter titled simply “Farm Dogs,” wherein I detail the lives and deaths of a wide array of mutts that found their way to our farm…..including “egg-sucking Pat,” the pure black short-haired sheep-killing Queenie that Dad insisted was a German Shepherd, on through many others to Duke, the final learning disabled dog who was enamored of cats. I think I should pull this chapter out, rewrite it in a snappy short story form with wry humor, and submit to a magazine. Joan, your thoughts???✍ Marilyn
jdempsey
September 11, 2016Sounds like a good plan, Marilyn, and even if you take out the Farm Dogs piece to use as a standalone, it doesn’t preclude you from using it also as a chapter if it fits in with the rest of the memoir!
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